Well, for now, it is the Australian Senate, but the way the debate has shaped up there could well give clues to what will happen in the US Senate.  Here is an interesting article from RealClearPolitics.com :

www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/06/24/could_australia_blow_apart_the_great_global_warming_scare_97148.html

Anonymous said :

Well, for now, it is the Australian Senate, but the way the debate has shaped up there could well give clues to what will happen in the US Senate.  Here is an interesting article from RealClearPolitics.com :

www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/06/24/could_australia_blow_apart_the_great_global_warming_scare_97148.html

Oh shoot !!  Does this mean that Al Gore has to give back his Nobel Peace Prize???????
 

hahahahahahahaha....I never could figure out what this "global warming" stuff had to do with "peace" in the first place.  But, hey, if ya want to give an award to someone .... guess that's as good a reason as any, huh?

Unbelievable!  The Kenyan Demagogue was on TV today calling the biggest tax increase bill in American history an ''energy bill'' and a ''jobs bill''.  What a liar! This is a huge energy TAX bill and a big job KILLING bill.  We need to get the Kenyan Demagogue out of the White House.

Dee 05 reported that Burr was waffling on this bill, as he waffled before on Amnesty for illegals, before ultimately voting right.  On an earlier Cap and Tax bill, Burr voted right and Dole wrong.  Dole, from what I am told, because of the influence of an idiot for a consultant. Therein lies the problem because Burr also has an idiot for a consultant.  If Burr sells taxpayers down the river on this one, he needs to have a strong primary challenge.

Anonymous said :

Unbelievable!  The Kenyan Demagogue was on TV today calling the biggest tax increase bill in American history an ''energy bill'' and a ''jobs bill''.  What a liar! This is a huge energy TAX bill and a big job KILLING bill.  We need to get the Kenyan Demagogue out of the White House.

Dee 05 reported that Burr was waffling on this bill, as he waffled before on Amnesty for illegals, before ultimately voting right.  On an earlier Cap and Tax bill, Burr voted right and Dole wrong.  Dole, from what I am told, because of the influence of an idiot for a consultant. Therein lies the problem because Burr also has an idiot for a consultant.  If Burr sells taxpayers down the river on this one, he needs to have a strong primary challenge.

Gee...that was soooo special.

Let's just throw in the white towel.  We've got idiots in our party and me thinks it's growing exponentially.

My god......

OOPS...that's me above...forgot to log in.

dap

When it really hurts is when our candidates have those idiots for consultants.

Cap and Trade, the biggest tax increase in our history, is one of those ''unforgivable'' issues like gun control and amnesty for illegals.  Any idiot elected official that votes wrong on one of those puts themselves in a ''get 'em out of there'' category.

Anonymous said :

When it really hurts is when our candidates have those idiots for consultants.

Cap and Trade, the biggest tax increase in our history, is one of those ''unforgivable'' issues like gun control and amnesty for illegals.  Any idiot elected official that votes wrong on one of those puts themselves in a ''get 'em out of there'' category.

Tough to argue.
 

Gotta agree, mi amigo.

dap916 said :

Anonymous said :

Well, for now, it is the Australian Senate, but the way the debate has shaped up there could well give clues to what will happen in the US Senate.  Here is an interesting article from RealClearPolitics.com :

www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/06/24/could_australia_blow_apart_the_great_global_warming_scare_97148.html

Oh shoot !!  Does this mean that Al Gore has to give back his Nobel Peace Prize???????
 

hahahahahahahaha....I never could figure out what this "global warming" stuff had to do with "peace" in the first place.  But, hey, if ya want to give an award to someone .... guess that's as good a reason as any, huh?

What is really disgraceful is some of the genuinely deserving people the politically motivated Nobel committee passed over to give the award to self-promoting politcal hack and political has-been Al Gore.
 

Ever here of Irena Sendler, one of the other nominees that year?  ''Internet Al'' doesn't hold a candle to her record.  Al just sits back in his mansion pontificating and jetsetting around first class pontificating. This woman risked her life again and again and produced results.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irena_Sendler

Sendler was nominated by leaders in her native Poland and was SOOOO much more deserving.  Now, she is dead and will never have another opportunity.

I now regard the Nobel Peace Prize as about as legitimate as the old Soviet Union's Lenin Peace Prize.

Anonymous said :

What is really disgraceful is some of the genuinely deserving people the politically motivated Nobel committee passed over to give the award to self-promoting politcal hack and political has-been Al Gore.
 

Ever here of Irena Sendler, one of the other nominees that year?  ''Internet Al'' doesn't hold a candle to her record.  Al just sits back in his mansion pontificating and jetsetting around first class pontificating. This woman risked her life again and again and produced results.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irena_Sendler

Sendler was nominated by leaders in her native Poland and was SOOOO much more deserving.  Now, she is dead and will never have another opportunity.

I now regard the Nobel Peace Prize as about as legitimate as the old Soviet Union's Lenin Peace Prize.

What is most disturbing to me is that we will see more and more "awards" and more and more "honoring" (as in Michael Jackson of late) not because of just deserves but because of political correctness and politics.....and it's gonna be all around the world...more and more and more.   I hate to think what our world is going to look like 50 years from now if the "everyone must be made to be equal" folks have their way.
 

Just my opinion.  We're headed in the wrong direction and I think there's no one or no organization or any other entity that can stop it.  Bush set us up for this and the far left is taking full advantage of it.  Once they get their agenda in place....I can't see us ever returning from it.

But, we can fight it politically best we can.  It's our responsibility.  God knows how the founding fathers would think if they could just suddenly come back to see what's happening both in America and all around the world.

They say history repeats itself.  We learned oh so well how socialism was unacceptable in so many cases in history.  Guess we're going to have to learn all that....all again.

Cap and Trade, hardly, the trade part is right, as in all the money to be made off of trading and selling carbon offsets! But that is not the worst part of this bill.

The number of new federal regulations and agencies and employees to administer said regulations. New guidelines and training of appraiser for homes and rental owners, from where and what size electrical outlet for electric cars, to the plants in the landscaping!! mandated toxic light bulbs,( no one follows the regulations for disposal of gas filled light tubes, like their are going to properly dispose of a mercury filled or broken ones), new green building standards, and my personal favorite the smart grid, peak point pricing, when you can do the laundry and when to turn down the refridgerator and hot water heater. Forget about heat and A/C you will not be able to afford those.

And what about all those earth saving electric cars, how much is it going to cost to drive one now, and where you going to get the electricty to do it.

And the PATRIOTS THOUGHT THEY HAD IT BAD!!!!!!!!

How do you orginize a RECALL ELECTION!!!

Dee05

Anonymous said :

Cap and Trade, hardly, the trade part is right, as in all the money to be made off of trading and selling carbon offsets! But that is not the worst part of this bill.

The number of new federal regulations and agencies and employees to administer said regulations. New guidelines and training of appraiser for homes and rental owners, from where and what size electrical outlet for electric cars, to the plants in the landscaping!! mandated toxic light bulbs,( no one follows the regulations for disposal of gas filled light tubes, like their are going to properly dispose of a mercury filled or broken ones), new green building standards, and my personal favorite the smart grid, peak point pricing, when you can do the laundry and when to turn down the refridgerator and hot water heater. Forget about heat and A/C you will not be able to afford those.

And what about all those earth saving electric cars, how much is it going to cost to drive one now, and where you going to get the electricty to do it.

And the PATRIOTS THOUGHT THEY HAD IT BAD!!!!!!!!

How do you orginize a RECALL ELECTION!!!

Dee05

1984......happening 25 years later.
 

Good post.

Welcome to the Third World, courtesy of our Third World president and his lap dog court jesters like Heath Shuler.  Comrade Obama's role model is obviously Hugo Chavez.  Obama is as dangerous for democracy as Chvez or Castro.

Anonymous said :

Welcome to the Third World, courtesy of our Third World president and his lap dog court jesters like Heath Shuler.  Comrade Obama's role model is obviously Hugo Chavez.  Obama is as dangerous for democracy as Chvez or Castro.

You could be more right than you know....although the naysayers will trash you for being some kind of unamerican right wing wack-o who is dillusional and paranoid and such...
 

The biggest problem is that it has become almost "unlawful" to say anything against what the Obama administration is doing and is about to do in what is now becoming a state-run media. 

Ya gotta give them credit....they're playing this advantage for all its worth.  The culture change is becoming enormous in America.  And, it no longer matters what the majority believes.  If Obama believes what the majority doesn't...he's gonna find a way to get that done regardless. 

I have one question about all the "programs" that are up for implementation.............."HOW IS AMERICA GONNA PAY FOR IT????".

The "rich people" have just so much money that can be taxed.  There's gotta be some other source of revenue and people getting bennies and being taken care of by the government ain't payin' in no taxes !!!! 

Oh..and have you heard that they're considering taxing medical benefits received by employers with the exception of union workers....they're trying to get it where union workers get a pass on that.  Oh yeah....pay back for the votes and, of course, continued votes.  Just another source of income lost.  Lovely, think?

 How do you pay for it?Thats easy.You pay for it with unemployment,inflation and a lower standard of living-just look at Europe,Mexico and South America.The winners are China,Russia and India.

Just in case someone here doesn't know what "cap and trade" is all about...here's a perspective. 

And where did that ''perspective'' come from?  It is clearly written by an enviromentalist.  A more to the point answer would be ''a slicker, more deceptive version of the carbon tax''

dap916 said :

 

What is Cap-and-Trade?

Cap-and-trade systems, also known as allowance trading, can be best summed up as "pollution credits."

What happens is that overall air quality goals are set for an area (such as the entire nation) and specific sources of air  pollution (such as power plants, waste incineration facilities, etc.) are given a certain number of allowances, which represent the amount of various pollutants that the organization or facility is allowed to emit.

Facilities that come in under that allowable limit because of air pollution control systems can then sell their leftover allowances to other facilities and organizations on the open market.

This allows the facilities that buy up such allowances (pollution credits) to pollute more, because other facilities are polluting less.

In theory, the system does have some potentially good points, by rewarding facilities that control air pollution and providing a means for those who cannot afford the latest air pollution technologies (or who have not completed upgrades) to buy some maneuvering room.

A big problem with cap-and-trade systems is that they allow for certain parts of the country to become much more polluted than they should be. Overall air standards in the nation might be met, but people in some parts of the country get horrible air quality as a result, and this isn't fair...or healthy. Again, this is a problem caused when cap-and-trade systems are left too open-ended, which is generally the case.

Cap-and-trade regulatory models have been effective in decreasing emissions of certain pollutants, due to their typical dispersal patterns or lower toxicity. But for mercury, it's a different story. Because mercury emissions tend to concentrate nearer their source than do some other air pollutants, a cap-and-trade program may result in harm to children in certain communities where high mercury emissions would be allowed to continue or to expand. And with mercury, the risk isn't just the air pollution; it's the fact that the highly toxic metal settles from the air into the waterways, and ends up in the tissues of fish that we consume.

The cap-and-trade programs that have been proposed by the EPA may not address existing "hot spots" of mercury pollution and contamination, and may create new local hot spots for mercury, disproportionately impacting local communities, especially those depending on subsistence fishing.

A decade-long study sponsored by the EPA, the U.S. Geological Survey, and the State of Florida in 2003 revealed that strong regulations of airborne mercury emissions produce swift, dramatic improvements in mercury contamination in local fish tissues. After south Florida waste incinerators were required to reduce their mercury emissions by 90% (they actually achieved 99% reduction), mercury levels in Everglades fish and wildlife declined by 60% in just 10 years. This study illustrates the feasibility of these measures to protect public health and how strong pollution controls are an effective approach to cleaning up the local environment and protecting public health. [Source: Florida Department of Environmental Protection. "Integrating Atmospheric Mercury Deposition and Aquatic Cycling in the Florida Everglades: An approach for conducting a Total Maximum Daily Load analysis for an atmospherically derived pollutant," Integrated Summary, Final Report. October 2003. www.floridadep.org/labs/mercury/index.htm]

Just in case someone here doesn't know what "cap and trade" is all about...here's a perspective. 

 

True to the bone, my friend.  I offered it up because that's what is presented on a huge majority of the "search" sites on this subject. 

I didn't post it in agreement....just something I thought would get some reaction...and yours is spot on.  But, nothing else has been posted.  Maybe TAP is suffering from a lack of participation.  Could be since we don't see many participants on this blog lately.  Must be some other venue that is more "active".