Anonymous said :

Robin Hayes far right?You must be abandoned on the lefist democrat planet.The conservatives will win this time because it is clear the country is running headlong into a leftist quadmire of poverty and misery.There is a clear distinction now.Conservatives will win.Keep running those far left zealots and middle of the roaders.

Quite correct.  Hayes ACU rating was considerably to the left of, say, Jim Martin's when he was a Congresman
 

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Anonymous said :

Robin Hayes far right?You must be abandoned on the lefist democrat planet.The conservatives will win this time because it is clear the country is running headlong into a leftist quadmire of poverty and misery.There is a clear distinction now.Conservatives will win.Keep running those far left zealots and middle of the roaders.

Quite correct.  Hayes ACU rating was considerably to the left of, say, Jim Martin's when he was a Congresman
 

Well sitting in office does tend to change the voting tendencies of any and everyone and since I wasn't following Hayes that closely during his time as a congressman I will bow to your knowledge on that point.  However when Hayes defeated Vinroot for the nomination he had positioned himself as the far right (moral majority, social conservative) candidate with Vinroot taking the moderate (business friendly, chamber of commerce) role.

Russ

Being pro-business does not necessarily mean that one is a moderate.  The Club for Growth, a staunchly conservative Reaganite PAC that runs on economic conservative issues is a good case in point.  They put over a million bucks into the Hoffman race in New York, for example.

I believe that discussion was about how much more to the right Hayes ran as compared to Vinroot for governor, and he did.

Neither Vinroot nor Hayes was that great of a candidate for reasons other than political philosophy.

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Neither Vinroot nor Hayes was that great of a candidate for reasons other than political philosophy.

Right and neither will be mayor Pat.

To get back on topic, Carter hit the nail on the head in his blog about the lost year of 2009.  Shumaker sat on his can then, and the campaign is in a bad position as a result.  How can Burr tolerate such incompetence?

Ladies and Gentlemen,

We place few limits on debate here in the Forum; however, that said, gratuitously accusing people of having affairs (especially when one of the alleged philanderers isn’t even married) is bad manners; so is calling people ‘butt boys’ and ‘tinkerbell.’

If someone has a new point to make about last summer’s State Chairman’s race that doesn’t involve sex or any of the other foibles that have already been repeated too often – please make it. Otherwise, enough’s been said. Let’s move on.

I have deleted these threads and comments and will continue to delete them in the future. And, if I miss one, anyone is welcome to email me and bring it to my attention.

Best wishes, Carter

cwrenn said :

Ladies and Gentlemen,

We place few limits on debate here in the Forum; however, that said, gratuitously accusing people of having affairs (especially when one of the alleged philanderers isn’t even married) is bad manners; so is calling people ‘butt boys’ and ‘tinkerbell.’

If someone has a new point to make about last summer’s State Chairman’s race that doesn’t involve sex or any of the other foibles that have already been repeated too often – please make it. Otherwise, enough’s been said. Let’s move on.

I have deleted these threads and comments and will continue to delete them in the future. And, if I miss one, anyone is welcome to email me and bring it to my attention.

Best wishes, Carter

 

Thank you, Carter.  The personal attacks, in both directions, whether ''mistress'' or ''butt boy'', were totally out of line.  Especially when it spread to organizations outside of even the usual protagonists.  Other discussion sites I participate in have the functionality to ban certain words and phrases and if someone tries to post one, it automatically substitutes "{banned word or phrase}" for it.  I wonder if this site could do the same and put things like mistress and butt boy there, so they could no longer be posted on this site. That would be easier than manually deleting threads or posts.  This time, entire threads were filled with that nonsense, but in the past some threads which contained material that should have stayed up got deleted in their entirety because people had gone off topic on these objectionable personal attacks.
 

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Burr should be beat in a primary.He will lose in the general election and take some other republicans with him.

 

Burr is talking about running the Republican senatorial committee after 2010.

Does that mean Shumaker will run the show?

What a disaster!

 

That is scary!  Do you think he can lose more seats that Stephens?

If Burr is still in the Senate, NC conservatives need to make a big noise questioning Burr getting this slot if it means bringing Shumaker along in any capacity. The whole sordid Black/Morgan/Shumaker/Beason fiasco needs to be thoroughly aired in Washington.

It needs to start now.
 

The message that needs to get through to DC includes the fact that Shumaker's machinations with Morgan and Brubaker really screwed up redistricting for Republicans last time around.  Redistricting is an issue that gets a lot of attention in DC.  But you are right, the word about Shumaker needs to start getting to DC NOW.
 

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Anonymous said :

Burr should be beat in a primary.He will lose in the general election and take some other republicans with him.

 

Burr is talking about running the Republican senatorial committee after 2010.

Does that mean Shumaker will run the show?

What a disaster!

 

That is scary!  Do you think he can lose more seats that Stephens?

If Burr is still in the Senate, NC conservatives need to make a big noise questioning Burr getting this slot if it means bringing Shumaker along in any capacity. The whole sordid Black/Morgan/Shumaker/Beason fiasco needs to be thoroughly aired in Washington.

It needs to start now.
 

The message that needs to get through to DC includes the fact that Shumaker's machinations with Morgan and Brubaker really screwed up redistricting for Republicans last time around.  Redistricting is an issue that gets a lot of attention in DC.  But you are right, the word about Shumaker needs to start getting to DC NOW.
 

Burr should be called on the carpet by republican leaders for his association with Shumaker
 

No more good old boy BS

Nor should Shumaker get any contracts from the state party.

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Burr should be beat in a primary.He will lose in the general election and take some other republicans with him.

 

Burr is talking about running the Republican senatorial committee after 2010.

Does that mean Shumaker will run the show?

What a disaster!

 

That is scary!  Do you think he can lose more seats that Stephens?

If Burr is still in the Senate, NC conservatives need to make a big noise questioning Burr getting this slot if it means bringing Shumaker along in any capacity. The whole sordid Black/Morgan/Shumaker/Beason fiasco needs to be thoroughly aired in Washington.

It needs to start now.
 

The message that needs to get through to DC includes the fact that Shumaker's machinations with Morgan and Brubaker really screwed up redistricting for Republicans last time around.  Redistricting is an issue that gets a lot of attention in DC.  But you are right, the word about Shumaker needs to start getting to DC NOW.
 

Burr should be called on the carpet by republican leaders for his association with Shumaker
 

No more good old boy BS

Nor should Shumaker get any contracts from the state party.

Let's be clear here....no democrat has done anything that Shumaker has done so ONLY Shumaker should be void of any contracts.  I mean, we ALL know how pure and pristine the contractors and those that deal with with government that have a "D" in front of their name have been "clean and pristine".
 

HAHAHAHAHA...what a joke.

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Burr should be beat in a primary.He will lose in the general election and take some other republicans with him.

 

Burr is talking about running the Republican senatorial committee after 2010.

Does that mean Shumaker will run the show?

What a disaster!

 

That is scary!  Do you think he can lose more seats that Stephens?

If Burr is still in the Senate, NC conservatives need to make a big noise questioning Burr getting this slot if it means bringing Shumaker along in any capacity. The whole sordid Black/Morgan/Shumaker/Beason fiasco needs to be thoroughly aired in Washington.

It needs to start now.
 

The message that needs to get through to DC includes the fact that Shumaker's machinations with Morgan and Brubaker really screwed up redistricting for Republicans last time around.  Redistricting is an issue that gets a lot of attention in DC.  But you are right, the word about Shumaker needs to start getting to DC NOW.
 

Burr should be called on the carpet by republican leaders for his association with Shumaker
 

No more good old boy BS

Nor should Shumaker get any contracts from the state party.

Let's be clear here....no democrat has done anything that Shumaker has done so ONLY Shumaker should be void of any contracts.  I mean, we ALL know how pure and pristine the contractors and those that deal with with government that have a "D" in front of their name have been "clean and pristine".
 

HAHAHAHAHA...what a joke.

Now Dap why in the heck are you trying to drag Democrats into your intraparty cat fight? 

dap916 said :

Let's be clear here....no democrat has done anything that Shumaker has done so ONLY Shumaker should be void of any contracts.  I mean, we ALL know how pure and pristine the contractors and those that deal with with government that have a "D" in front of their name have been "clean and pristine".
 

HAHAHAHAHA...what a joke.

Dap, you hit the nail on the head on a couple of things.  Yes, Shumaker and Democrat consultants do have a lot in common.  Neither Shumaker nor a Democrat should get a consulting contract from NCGOP for generally similar reasons.

Hot off my e-mail RICHARD BURR WILL BE MAKING A PUBLIC APPERANCE IN NC.

Of course you have to pay for the lunch, but he will be a featured speaker at the NCFRW , Pinerhurst Convention.

 Pat McCory and Julia Howard will also be speaking.

But confusing is the choice of speakers, as the topic of the meeting is 'WINNING CANDIDATES AND CAMPAIGNS"

Dee 05

Anonymous said :

Hot off my e-mail RICHARD BURR WILL BE MAKING A PUBLIC APPERANCE IN NC.

Of course you have to pay for the lunch, but he will be a featured speaker at the NCFRW , Pinerhurst Convention.

 Pat McCory and Julia Howard will also be speaking.

But confusing is the choice of speakers, as the topic of the meeting is 'WINNING CANDIDATES AND CAMPAIGNS"

Dee 05

will shumaker be there?
 

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sophomore said :

Who is Paul Shumaker?
You Decide
 
In 2004, Paul Shumaker, political campaign consultant and owner of Capital Communications, Inc. and NC Representative Richard Morgan formed the North Carolina Republican Main Street Committee, a §527 organization. Mr. Shumaker  operated as the committee’s advisor and paid consultant.  

On May 23, 2004, Main Street Republican and House Speaker Richard Morgan was removed from NCGOP executive committee, for 'Party disloyalty.'    Soon thereafter, two other null Republicans officers, Reps. Harold Brubaker and Danny McComas, resigned publicly citing their support of him.  [Mainstreet Republicans, often referred to as Republicans In Name Only or RINOs, refer to themselves as 'progressive' and 'moderate' Republicans. However, the case has been made that a check of their voting records, routine modes of operation in committee and on floor debates, campaign financial records, special interest attention might evidence behavior more akin to that of Democrats.

 
On opening day of Session in 2003 Shumaker was in Speaker Black's office negotiating the Speaker deal for Morgan. The 'Morgan Coalition' (ranging from 12 to 17) was formed and joined up with Democrats. Under Paul  
Shumaker's advisement, the Coalition defected from the GOP House Caucus in direct violation of NCGOP Directives. As consultant to Morgan and the Mainstreet Republicans, Shumaker recruited and supported candidates to run
against Republicans who were in good standing and voted consistently in keeping with Republican principles, practices and Platform, but who did not vote as Morgan directed - with the Democrats.

 

Check out the election results for 2004 - Shumaker's Mainstreet lost eleven seats. Employed by a Democrat, Shumaker attacked Paul Coble and Jesse Helms in the 1999 Raleigh Mayoral race.
 
Taking Richard Petty's campaign, with Richard Petty's 95% + name ID, raising lots of money, but with no money left for media after Labor Day lost to a one term state Senator, who lost to Dan Paige in her home district, but beat Petty. Her name, Elaine Marshall.
 
What about Richard Vinroot's gubernatorial races?  Three strkes; and from highland to lowland folks blamed Paul Shumaker. In 1994, NCGOP hired Shumaker, but fired him after about two weeks. (Great House victory in '94.)
 
What did Shumaker do for the House Republicans once he and Brubaker joined up? Brubaker and the Shumaker took the majority of 67 they inherited in 1994, down to 61 in 1996, and into the minority in 1998 - but Shumaker made
money. Remember Farmers for Fairness? Shumaker was being paid by both Farmers for Fairness and Speaker Brubaker when that scandal was born.
 
What about Shumaker's 'great job' as the Jim Martin's Campaign Manager for re-election in 1988? Not true, Brad Hayes would not let him be the Campaign Manager.  In the 2004 Republican primary campaign Morgan and his allies ran ads produced by political consultant Paul Shumaker, saying they cut taxes by voting for an increase in the state's child-tax credit and doing away with its marriage-tax penalty.

It's malarkey," said John Hood of the non-partisan John Locke Foundation.  "It makes a bill that raised taxes into an apparent tax cut. I find these ads the most odious ... telling a deliberate falsehood based on the assumption that people won't check it out."
 
#1 PRIMARY FIGHT: "The chief political consultant for House Co-Speaker Richard Morgan is making no bones about the fact that he is gunning for Morgan's rivals within the Republican Party."
 
"Paul Shumaker recently told those attending a breakfast sponsored by NC FREE, a nonpartisan, business-sponsored group that analyzes political trends, that Morgan will run ads leading up to the primary election targeting House Republicans who have opposed his leadership." 

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-The Insider TM - North Carolina State Government News Service Vol. 12, No. 47 
 

Is Paul Shumaker growing GOP voter bases or his client bases? 
 
"Now, as a result of robust population growth, Republican ranks have swelled with people who have recently moved into the state. These days, candidates like Richard Burr start out their campaigns assured of only about 60 percent of their party's vote. As a result, statewide Republican candidates have to build a base within their own party, while also facing Democratic candidates who try to reach out and win cross-over votes from registered Republicans."

 

- "The Republican Base and Crossover Appeal" - Paul Shumaker

 
To read Shumaker analysis of GOP effectiveness and future go to http://www.southnow.org SOUTH NOW, April 2005 Data Net, pg 3. 

From the publications from the UNC Program on Southern Politics, Media and Public Life. 
 
[Provided courtesy of NC Right Stuff - a politically conservative statewide grassroots volunteer communications and action initiatives network.  E-mail ncrightstuff@rocketmail.com.]

Good copy & paste, Soph.  Very informative.  Excellent.
 

Very informative should be sent to every Repulbian county chairman and legislator.
 

No more inside deals
 

There is no way that the numbers he cited can be correct.

2004 was the only time GOP I can find the GOP outnumbered the democrats, and despite having  an advantage of 400,000  in registration Bush won by a little over 100,000

And even if they are correct Burr better take a look at todays numbers

last election and 1/18/10 totals show democrats 237,191 increase to 2,748,637

GOP 3,076  increase  to 1,922,651

 and unaffiliated increased by 211,302 to 1,378,128

AND THE NCGOP HAD BETTER GET ITS ACT IN GEAR WE SEEM TO BE RUNNING 200,000 behind in new registration to both groups

, its worse than I thought!!!!

Dee 05

As conservatives, we know that it is important to reelect Senator Burr.  While we know that intellectually, we still as a practical matter have an enthusiam gap in really getting fired up to help him.  Why?  He does vote right almost all of the time, although all too often it gets a bit dicey where there has to be a big call-in campaign to his office to make certain he does.  That is part of the reason.  He is clearly not getting good advice on issues, something his consultant should be providing.  Part of it for the less politically involved voters is the fact that Senator Burr has not been as visible in the state on the issues as he should have been, again something a good consultant should have made certain was happening.  For party activists, the ones who should be in the forefront promoting his candidacy, the spectre of Paul Shumaker, whose activities in the Morgan-Brubaker coup make us want to puke, sitting there directing Burr's campaign is just so much of a put-off for us,  So, we say, of yes we will vote for him, but we put our energies in other campaigns.  Burr's poll numbers clearly show he needs the energy of not only the party activists but also the Tea Party stalwarts.  I do not see how he is going to be able to do that with Paul Shumaker involved.  There are plenty of consultants out there who have far better skills than Shumaker and lack his baggage. 

I had to be dragged, kicking and screaming to work my butt off

for John McCain. And I did it For the country AND the GOP not Mc Cain

And I'm proud to say my county was one of the counties honored for winnig every race for the GOP.

I just want Burr to put in as much effort, as I am going to have to put in on his behalf.

If I'm going to fight for him, HE HAD BETTER START FIGHTING FOR IT.

Dee 05

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Anonymous said :

Hot off my e-mail RICHARD BURR WILL BE MAKING A PUBLIC APPERANCE IN NC.

Of course you have to pay for the lunch, but he will be a featured speaker at the NCFRW , Pinerhurst Convention.

 Pat McCory and Julia Howard will also be speaking.

But confusing is the choice of speakers, as the topic of the meeting is 'WINNING CANDIDATES AND CAMPAIGNS"

Dee 05

will shumaker be there?
 

That will be thrilling
 

Most people that follow politics in America know that when someone like Shumaker is trashed in a big way by his opponents, he is doing a fabulous job and is making a very positive impact for those that he represents.

The more I see the negative posts about Shumaker, the more I like him.

Oh, gross.  What a kissass.

The key is which side a consultant is really on.

Shumaker did indeed do a fabulous job for Jim Black in 1) splitting the Republicans so Black could retain the real power in the NC House, and 2) after Black's corruption became apparent, intimidating the GOP into no using that as a campaign issue.

Shumaker's fabulous job in both instances for Black probably is a big reason why Republicans trash him now.  But while he did do a fabulous job for Jim Black in those two missions, that does not mean he is competent in anything else.  He is a real mixed bag as a political consultant, adequate in some areas but considerably lacking in others.  He also seems to be losing his touch for backroom manuevering.  The effort to get rid of Holding to sweep Easley's corruption under the rug recently blew up.

It seems to depend on which jersey Shumaker has on.  If he has on his blue jersey, playing on Jim Black's team, then he scores a touchdown.

Too often if he is wearing his red jersey, he fumbles the ball.

Funny thing about that!