It's true that Orr is a moderate but he's also very strong on the constitution.  Honest folks, including Dems, like him and he might actually have made a good governor.

Orr had message delivery and fundraising problems compliments of his campaign consultant - Paul Shumaker's cover and fundraiser girl E. Whitney Jones.  She also does events, under Shu, for Steve Troxer and Cherie Berrie.

The GOP has made the term conservatative, irrelevant, just tell me who's not an internationalist.

Dee05

As to Orr, anyone connected to Shu, even through a surrogate, as Shu sometimes operates, well, its just the kiss of death as far as conservaitves are concerned.

We can't afford another Jim Martin administration.We need a strong conservative in the mold of Carroll Campbell of SC.He changed the entire state from dem to republican.NC is the laughing stock of the south with our continued electing this bunch of liberal democrats.

Anonymous said :

As to Orr, anyone connected to Shu, even through a surrogate, as Shu sometimes operates, well, its just the kiss of death as far as conservaitves are concerned.

Thanks for the replies about. I'm under 40 and haven't been more than a solid GOP voter in the past. These inside baseball insights are quite helpful.

I get the Cobey-ite thing and the Morgan thing I remember and was not happy at all with.

Can somebody explain Shumaker to me?

I too thought Orr's cerebral nature and Constitutional bona fides would have made him a good person to reorganize government and streamline processes. Feeding at the trough is the number one problem with state government in my opinion (ranking just above the rise in taxes in recent years) and so I thought Orr would have the credibility to clean it up.

Anonymous said :

Anonymous said :

As to Orr, anyone connected to Shu, even through a surrogate, as Shu sometimes operates, well, its just the kiss of death as far as conservaitves are concerned.

Thanks for the replies about. I'm under 40 and haven't been more than a solid GOP voter in the past. These inside baseball insights are quite helpful.

I get the Cobey-ite thing and the Morgan thing I remember and was not happy at all with.

Can somebody explain Shumaker to me?

I too thought Orr's cerebral nature and Constitutional bona fides would have made him a good person to reorganize government and streamline processes. Feeding at the trough is the number one problem with state government in my opinion (ranking just above the rise in taxes in recent years) and so I thought Orr would have the credibility to clean it up.

 

See this thread on TAP:

http://www.talkingaboutpolitics.com/CommentDiscussionForum/tabid/59/ptid/412/threadid/2489/forumtype/posts/Default.aspx

Who is Paul Shumaker?
You Decide
 
In 2004, Paul Shumaker, political campaign consultant and owner of Capital Communications, Inc. and NC Representative Richard Morgan formed the North Carolina Republican Main Street Committee, a §527 organization. Mr. Shumaker  operated as the committee’s advisor and paid consultant.  

Anonymous said :

Cain is okay, likes the ladies a little too much, but he's a nice guy and good fundraiser.  His ambassadorship was supposed to go the Blount - according to Blount, and his association with Shu is because Shu be buds with Rove.

It was McCrory's sister who supported Chad Adams.

Once McCrory decided to run, McMahan changed allegiance and turned his GOP money machine towards Pat.  Remember, big biz will back both D & R candidates for Gov, and smilin' Eddie ensured it was McCrory who got the GOP Gov $$$ - even Bill Graham figer'd that out fast.

Smith lost because despite his phony bio book, Greenwood and BBQ, folks began to see him for who and what he really was - just a whiny scripture quotin' - (w/a whiny voice to match) wanna be.  The Bible thumpin' and Marriage Amendment rally was all just to compensate and cover his true RINO colors; let his voting record show (not to mention the bills he sponsored and did not sponsor).  Never ever forget that it isn't the vote history that tells the real and whole story; it's easy to look good to those who don't know how to look.

I am relieved it was Pat McCrory's sister that supported Chad Adams and not Pat.  Pat's sister doesn't run in the same circles as Pat.

Anonymous said :

Paul Coble would be the best choice.

Hawke is aging a little and growing sentimental, he's a moderate and he never has been the greatest strategist. 

Carter could lead us to a win - if they'll do what he says.

Hawke was part of the original conservative wing of the party way back in the 60's, when there was some real nutcrunching politics between the conservatives and the Old Guard moderates.
 

As far as his abilities as a strategist, Hawke took McCrory as a very late entrant in the governor's race and beat long established opponents, one of whom was being advised by a Shumaker surrogate and another of whom had been advised by Fetzer.

Hawke also handled Virginia Foxx's primary campaign, in which she had a couple of real potential liabilities and guided her to the nomination in spite of those liabilities.  In doing so, he beat other candidates advised by both Shumaker and Wrenn.

As state GOP chairman, he picked up the pieces for the party in Wilson County for the House seat Larry Etheridge abandoned when the Hunt machine put up thier kingpin Betty McCain against him.  While the local party was wetting its pants over how Betty McCain and the Hunt machine could not be beaten in Wilson County, Hawke found a political neophyte retired principal, ran his campaign out of state GOP headquarters and beat the ''unbeatable'' Betty McCain.  Now, I would say it takes some pretty good strategic ability to beat Betty McCain and the Hunt machine in thier own home county.

. . . and don't forget that Hawke was campaign manager for the first great GOP breakthrough in the east, the election of Congressman Jim Gardner in 1966, in a day when the profession of campaign consultant did not exist and it was the campaign manager who handled most of the strategy.

Fetzer and his cronies have always disliked Hawke and slandered and worked against him at every turn.The same goes for Art Pope and anything Art Pope does.Fetzer is just a blip on the radar screen and will be history in 2 years.

Hawke has done more for the party than any one person ever has.Despite all the slings and arrows from those that couldn't win a precinct chairmans race.

Anonymous said :

Fetzer and his cronies have always disliked Hawke and slandered and worked against him at every turn.The same goes for Art Pope and anything Art Pope does.Fetzer is just a blip on the radar screen and will be history in 2 years.

Hawke has done more for the party than any one person ever has.Despite all the slings and arrows from those that couldn't win a precinct chairmans race.

Maybe this has something to do with why Fetzer will not go after Basnight on the pier scandal.  One of Art Pope's institutes developed the material so Fetzer gets in a snit and refuses to use it.  If so, it is petty, childish, and downright stupid.
 

Does he have similar feelings about Wrenn?  Wrenn has also developed some great material on the Purdue administration that Fetzer seems reluctant to use for some bizzare reason.

We need all of our sound thinkers contributing to winning in 2010.  If pettiness by Fetzer is preventing that from happening, then he is an impediment standing in the way of victory.

Fetzer never liked Wrenn,Pope,Hawke or David Tyson and Terry Edmondson,Alex Castellanos.They saw Fetzer for what he was.An opportunist with very little political talent.They all have solid conservative values and Fetzer will morph into what ever he thinks he needs to be at the moment.

Don't you think the NCGOP would be incredibly powerful aligning itself with some of the programs at the John Locke Foundation.They conduct candidate classes etc.But no,Fetzer knows it would dimish his strangle hold on the money coming in to headquarters.

Anonymous said :

Fetzer never liked Wrenn,Pope,Hawke or David Tyson and Terry Edmondson,Alex Castellanos.They saw Fetzer for what he was.An opportunist with very little political talent.They all have solid conservative values and Fetzer will morph into what ever he thinks he needs to be at the moment.

So now instead of having access to the skills of a lot of talented conservatives, the party is stuck in this critical election year with depending on the little pea brain of Fetzer - the same little pea brain that cost us the Dole Senate seat and left us stuck with Obama yes-woman Kay Hagan for 6 years?  Oh yeah, we also get the only slightly larger brain of wannabe consultant Stewart.  Dumb and dumber!  The only guy with a political brain that seemed to be in Fetzer's camp, Rouse, seems to have broken with him over the excessive spending at the executive level at NCGOP.