Without the Internet/email....just how could this be related?  And, the funniest thing of all is that it's from John Kerry....the biggest democratic joke of all time.

Hello Supporter,

Enough is enough. Minnesota needs two Senators. And Republicans need to accept the fact that we will have 60 Democratic Senators.

We're almost there.

Still, the national Republican party has sunk hundreds and hundreds of thousands of dollars into endless legal wrangling, thinking that it's money well-spent if it just blocks  seating another Democratic Senator who can help pass President Obama's agenda.

Can you please help Al Franken fight back against the money of the Republican Party and win his legal fight? Click on this link to help:

Support the Franken Recount Fund!

The legal bills are constantly mounting, but the Republican Party fights on. They know what we can do to strengthen our country with another Democratic vote, the 60th vote that can break filibusters and end the obstructionism of the Republican Party. Al Franken won, but every day the Republican Party delays his certification is a day they count as a victory.

Let's give Al the resources he needs to put an end to this fight and start fighting the battles that really matter, the battles that will improve our country and start meeting the challenges of the 21st century.

Please make a contribution to Al's legal fund to give him the resources he needs to fight:

Support the Franken Recount Fund!

Thank you so much for your help. The fights for health care reform and a new energy future are approaching a crucial stage, and I'll be in touch to keep you updated on what's happening and other ways you can fight for a better future.

Sincerely,
John Kerry

dap916 said :

Without the Internet/email....just how could this be related?  And, the funniest thing of all is that it's from John Kerry....the biggest democratic joke of all time.

 

Hello Supporter,

Enough is enough. Minnesota needs two Senators. And Republicans need to accept the fact that we will have 60 Democratic Senators.

We're almost there.

Still, the national Republican party has sunk hundreds and hundreds of thousands of dollars into endless legal wrangling, thinking that it's money well-spent if it just blocks  seating another Democratic Senator who can help pass President Obama's agenda.

Can you please help Al Franken fight back against the money of the Republican Party and win his legal fight? Click on this link to help:

Support the Franken Recount Fund!

The legal bills are constantly mounting, but the Republican Party fights on. They know what we can do to strengthen our country with another Democratic vote, the 60th vote that can break filibusters and end the obstructionism of the Republican Party. Al Franken won, but every day the Republican Party delays his certification is a day they count as a victory.

Let's give Al the resources he needs to put an end to this fight and start fighting the battles that really matter, the battles that will improve our country and start meeting the challenges of the 21st century.

Please make a contribution to Al's legal fund to give him the resources he needs to fight:

Support the Franken Recount Fund!

Thank you so much for your help. The fights for health care reform and a new energy future are approaching a crucial stage, and I'll be in touch to keep you updated on what's happening and other ways you can fight for a better future.

Sincerely,
John Kerry

 

It says Coleman should face reality and concede so John Kerry doesn't have such a softball to fundraise with.
 

Franken won the race.  It's gone on too long.  Remember there will be a case in the future where a Republican edges a Democrat.  Do you really want to see this play out like this when the shoe is on the foot?

Huh? said :

Franken won the race.  It's gone on too long.  Remember there will be a case in the future where a Republican edges a Democrat.  Do you really want to see this play out like this when the shoe is on the foot?

There are a lot of questions in this race specifically because of the Acorn involvement.  I wouldn't want this to go on if the shoe was on the other foot, of course, Huh?  But, if the democrats had an "Acorn" to have to fight against, they'd be putting up just as big a fight.....if the shoe was on the other foot.

dap916 said :

Huh? said :

Franken won the race.  It's gone on too long.  Remember there will be a case in the future where a Republican edges a Democrat.  Do you really want to see this play out like this when the shoe is on the foot?

 

There are a lot of questions in this race specifically because of the Acorn involvement.  I wouldn't want this to go on if the shoe was on the other foot, of course, Huh?  But, if the democrats had an "Acorn" to have to fight against, they'd be putting up just as big a fight.....if the shoe was on the other foot.

Oh come on.  The hand has been played.  It's time to accept the facts.  How long did it take Al Gore to pull back and except the results in 2000?  We've been in this situation before and we didn't let it go on this long. 

Huh? said :

dap916 said :

Huh? said :

Franken won the race.  It's gone on too long.  Remember there will be a case in the future where a Republican edges a Democrat.  Do you really want to see this play out like this when the shoe is on the foot?

 

There are a lot of questions in this race specifically because of the Acorn involvement.  I wouldn't want this to go on if the shoe was on the other foot, of course, Huh?  But, if the democrats had an "Acorn" to have to fight against, they'd be putting up just as big a fight.....if the shoe was on the other foot.

Oh come on.  The hand has been played.  It's time to accept the facts.  How long did it take Al Gore to pull back and except the results in 2000?  We've been in this situation before and we didn't let it go on this long. 

At the risk of this becoming a "pissing match" between us, I would like to point out that the courts decided the election in Florida.  Gore hadn't conceded.
 

Best we can hope for is a timeline set and then a quick decision in the Franken case.  I do agree though, I doubt the original outcome will change.

dap916 said :

Huh? said :

dap916 said :

Huh? said :

Franken won the race.  It's gone on too long.  Remember there will be a case in the future where a Republican edges a Democrat.  Do you really want to see this play out like this when the shoe is on the foot?

 

There are a lot of questions in this race specifically because of the Acorn involvement.  I wouldn't want this to go on if the shoe was on the other foot, of course, Huh?  But, if the democrats had an "Acorn" to have to fight against, they'd be putting up just as big a fight.....if the shoe was on the other foot.

Oh come on.  The hand has been played.  It's time to accept the facts.  How long did it take Al Gore to pull back and except the results in 2000?  We've been in this situation before and we didn't let it go on this long. 

At the risk of this becoming a "pissing match" between us, I would like to point out that the courts decided the election in Florida.  Gore hadn't conceded.
 

Best we can hope for is a timeline set and then a quick decision in the Franken case.  I do agree though, I doubt the original outcome will change.

No need for a pissing contest.  But Gore accepted the results and moved on.  There were avenues he could have traveled down but he didn't.  If I'm not mistaken there have already been mulitiple judicial rulings in this race and all of them have ruled against Coleman.  There comes a time when one has to let go and accept the results.  That time has long passed.  Now Coleman has reached the point where he is harming his political future.

can't seem to sign on tonight

Huh?

Anonymous said :

No need for a pissing contest.  But Gore accepted the results and moved on.  There were avenues he could have traveled down but he didn't.  If I'm not mistaken there have already been mulitiple judicial rulings in this race and all of them have ruled against Coleman.  There comes a time when one has to let go and accept the results.  That time has long passed.  Now Coleman has reached the point where he is harming his political future.

can't seem to sign on tonight

Huh?

Something's different with the sign on, Huh?  I think it times you out after a certain amount of time or something now, not sure.  I thought it was my old-age memory...but, maybe not.

Hopefully they'll make a final decision on this thing soon.

Huh? said :

Franken won the race.  It's gone on too long.  Remember there will be a case in the future where a Republican edges a Democrat.  Do you really want to see this play out like this when the shoe is on the foot?

This is a blatant attempt to steal a Senate seat.  Not only are there all of the thousands of bogus ACORN registrations (those crooks ought to be UNDER the jail house) which ''voted''. but there were lots of bogus ''found'' votes in the recount process.  Franken hired the same thug as an adviser in this process who oversaw the theft of the Governorship of Washington a few years ago.  The elections process is overseen by a far out leftie Secretary of State elected with funding from socialist billionaire George Soros as part of a project for the left to get a stranglehold on the elections process.  Thugs like Soros and Franken ought to be fought to the bitter end. The Secretary of State ought to be jailed for some of his vote manipulation.
 

Oh, and didn't Franken shorten his family name from Frankenstein?

Anonymous said :

Huh? said :

Franken won the race.  It's gone on too long.  Remember there will be a case in the future where a Republican edges a Democrat.  Do you really want to see this play out like this when the shoe is on the foot?

This is a blatant attempt to steal a Senate seat.  Not only are there all of the thousands of bogus ACORN registrations (those crooks ought to be UNDER the jail house) which ''voted''. but there were lots of bogus ''found'' votes in the recount process.  Franken hired the same thug as an adviser in this process who oversaw the theft of the Governorship of Washington a few years ago.  The elections process is overseen by a far out leftie Secretary of State elected with funding from socialist billionaire George Soros as part of a project for the left to get a stranglehold on the elections process.  Thugs like Soros and Franken ought to be fought to the bitter end. The Secretary of State ought to be jailed for some of his vote manipulation.
 

Oh, and didn't Franken shorten his family name from Frankenstein?

HAHAHAHA...kinda funny.
 

Truth is, we need the courts to make a final decision on this thing...let's get on with it.  What's being said now?  Is it a done deal for Franken now? 

Maybe I'm behind the times.  Someone enlighten me or give me an update.

Just "slow dap" here.

The courts still need to decide the vote count exceeding actual voters in more than one precinct. The Democratic judge ignore that one of course. And of course the number of absentee ballots not counted that were legally received from overseas (ie military).

Anonymous said :

The courts still need to decide the vote count exceeding actual voters in more than one precinct. The Democratic judge ignore that one of course. And of course the number of absentee ballots not counted that were legally received from overseas (ie military).

Thanks for the update.  I'm convinced that there's absolutely no way on God's green earth that there is any "decision element" in our new America that will go against the first results presented.....so, actually it's just a waste of time, in my considered opinion.  Let's get the man in there so he can be the one that gives the demos what they need to take us farther down the path that is being orchestrated by the Obama administration.

I refuse to get upset and/or stressed anymore about just how horrible our country is going to be in the future because of the programs and laws enacted in the next 4 years.  In my view, we'll N E V E R see the same America we grew up in ever again.  I'm doing all I can to get my grandkids ready for that change.  I doubt I've got the "right stuff" to fully accomplish that....but I'm damn sure gonna try.  My worry is that initiative and hard work and common-sense fiscal responsibility in the hopes of gaining wealth and security won't be important in the future years in our country.  I'm unfamiliar with that philosophy, so am not sure just exactly how to teach my kids and grandkids going forward. 

Just my opinion...and yeah, I'm sure the left on TAP will call me all kinds of names and make me out to be all kinds of things for saying that....but, I'm betting there's a HUGE number of people in our country today that think exactly as I do about this.

The first results in, with all votes counted showed Coleman winning. Then the Franken crooks started shifting vote totals and playing lots of other dishonest games, assisted by a Secretary of State put in office with the financial backing of socialist billionaire George Soros. Franken ought to go to prison for vote manipulation, instead of to the Senate, and that crooked Secretary of State ought to be his cellmate.  And of course lots of ACORN crooks ought to already be in prison.

Anonymous said :

The first results in, with all votes counted showed Coleman winning. Then the Franken crooks started shifting vote totals and playing lots of other dishonest games, assisted by a Secretary of State put in office with the financial backing of socialist billionaire George Soros. Franken ought to go to prison for vote manipulation, instead of to the Senate, and that crooked Secretary of State ought to be his cellmate.  And of course lots of ACORN crooks ought to already be in prison.

Probably all true, my friend.  But, in the current "political" climate....ain't gonna happen.
 

We're in a zone in our country that makes sure that just isn't a possibility.

Sad.....but true.

I think you guys are just grasping at straws.  When you lose a race you've just got to buck up and face the facts.  In a close race it's not uncommon for the recounts to yield a different outcome.  You lost this one.  No one stole it from Coleman.  He just lost.  You don't here us harping on 2000 do you?  Believe me there are plenty of things we could bring up but hey you won that one.  Accept it, regroup and fight like hell to win the seat back.

Huh? said :

I think you guys are just grasping at straws.  When you lose a race you've just got to buck up and face the facts.  In a close race it's not uncommon for the recounts to yield a different outcome.  You lost this one.  No one stole it from Coleman.  He just lost.  You don't here us harping on 2000 do you?  Believe me there are plenty of things we could bring up but hey you won that one.  Accept it, regroup and fight like hell to win the seat back.

Hmm..  Well, Huh?, unless there has been a final determination on this, you don't really know for sure if Coleman lost or not.  Yep...probably did...and yep, with the mood of the country and so forth, Coleman doesn't stand much of a chance being a republican with any kind of election involving a demo being overturned.  But, hey, there were definately inequities and there are questions about having more votes cast in some places than actual voters on the rolls.  So.....unless you know something they don't, best thing for you to do is just let it all play out.  You're probably correct in that Colman will end up being the loser...but until that time, you don't know any more than anyone else FOR SURE how this will play out.

You can shoot me an "I told ya so" if it comes out your way as you've predicted.

Okay...I just saw it.  Coleman lost....Franken won.

Guess I was wrong....

Huh?....you can go with the "I told ya so" now.  I deserve it 

dap

dap916 said :

Okay...I just saw it.  Coleman lost....Franken won.

Guess I was wrong....

Huh?....you can go with the "I told ya so" now.  I deserve it 

dap

That's not my style.  I thought Coleman and the Governor were very gracious.

 Sen. Franken will go down has one of America's greatest statesmen.This is just what Obama needed to help get the country back on track after 8 disastrous years of Bush.Now it is time to go after hate speech on talk radio.

Anonymous said :

 Now it is time to go after hate speech on talk radio.

No doubt.  Let's just not honor the first amendment and let the government choose what should be allowed to be said on our airwaves...in our press. 
 

Yep....that's the ticket.

dap916 said :

Anonymous said :

 Now it is time to go after hate speech on talk radio.

No doubt.  Let's just not honor the first amendment and let the government choose what should be allowed to be said on our airwaves...in our press. 
 

Yep....that's the ticket.

I think that was just a post to push all your buttons Dap.

Huh? said :

dap916 said :

Anonymous said :

 Now it is time to go after hate speech on talk radio.

No doubt.  Let's just not honor the first amendment and let the government choose what should be allowed to be said on our airwaves...in our press. 
 

Yep....that's the ticket.

I think that was just a post to push all your buttons Dap.

So, by you saying that, it makes it all wrong...that makes what my response is all silly?

C'mon, Huh?  You seem to be getting more and more in the "lock-step" mode and looks like you're now just one more mindless, brainwashed Obamamaniac unaware of what's really happening in our country.

I'm ashamed of you....and even worse, I'm just totally disappointed.

Ryan McMaken observes in a recent blog post over at LewRockwell.com:

"Al Franken was finally declared the winner in his campaign against Norm Coleman for the U.S Senate seat in Minnesota. Norm Coleman conceded, indicating that he won’t drag out the eight-month recount any longer.

The ritual behind the concession is an interesting one. Any time there is a close (essentially tied) election, the perceived loser after the initial count can concede or he may call for a recount or for a series of legal challenges. He does this in the hope that enough of the opponent’s votes might be invalidated or enough of his votes might be “discovered” during the recount process.

The idea that “counting every vote” provides a definitive conclusion to an election is one of the many great myths and gossamer clouds upon which democracy is perched.

In any large scale election where the voters number in the thousands, there is no such thing as an election being decided simply by counting every vote. Every close election on such a scale comes down to decided which votes to count and which votes not to count in a subjective selection process founded upon a variety of legal challenges and judgments:

“Should the provisional ballots be counted?”

“Which of the provisional ballots should be counted?”

“Have the mail in ballots been counted?”

“Are these ballots cast for this guy or for that guy?”

“The judge will allow these votes to be counted, but not those votes.”

And on and on. It’s not about counting every vote, but about getting a judge to declare which votes should be counted.

So, in reality, many close elections are really just ties with no clear outcome. The 2000 election was a perfect example. Clearly, neither candidate was a clear winner over the other. And yet, this is a very difficult problem for the theory of democracy to contend with. If neither candidate is truly preferred, how can one of the candidates claim to rule with a mandate from the people? And say by some imaginary miracle, one candidate was shown to have one more vote than the other. Why should this be a license to rule over others?

Yet, we see this happen all the time. As soon as a “winner” is declared, the voters fall into line and simply accept the legitimacy of the newly elected candidate while the winner himself declares himself to be the trustee of all the people who possesses a mandate to govern according to his platform. Never mind the fact that the winner was barely able to prove a plurality, much less a majority. Yet, the proponents of democracy quickly look the other way, when even by their own standards, the election results can’t be shown to fulfill the democratic pillars of “majority rule” or even “one man, one vote.” The new winner is illegitimate even by their own standards, but this fact is always disregarded in favor of the myth over the inconvenient reality."

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